Treggers - Has it replaced your keyboards completely?

Yeah, those choices are really driven by the balance of muscle memory habits vs. new shortcuts and conveniences on a personalized map layer.

As we expand the mapping freedom, we expect more and more use cases will avail themselves of the personalized layers. It’s often dramatic how much less work that can be for frequently used functions.

But further refinements like sticky modifiers are still very important so that long-ingrained habits are also well-supported and progressively easier to do,

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The reason I asked how many you used was to get an idea of how many you might need to remap. There are two aspects to this. One is the more you need to do, the more likely you don’t have enough good places to place them. But the other has to do with ease of adjustments - if I only had to do the 4 examples you gave, I’d probably feel it would be easy to put them in places that are both easy to hit and, with only 4, not hard to adjust to using. But if I had 15 or some other sizable number, it would be much harder even to remember where I put them!

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I have no idea if my speed, other than it’s slow. I think I’m probably slower on the Textpad, just because of practice. I’m not getting enormous false hits on it.

Using the sticky property of the function layer, it is very possible to perform Ctrl Alt F3 without any changes to the default map.
Activate the function layer first by chording KL then release.
Chord Ctrl and Alt using your right hand again ,./ and hold it.
Press E to get Ctrl Alt F3.

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Thanks gmadden. I was not used to using the function-lock, but indeed, that makes it do-able. Still many keys to hold down in total (2-chord + 4-chord), but I’m going to start retraining to use the FN lock whenever I want to use function keys.

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I’ve got a dell lappy at work, and I used to do something similar with pushing it towards the back of my desk to make space for the textblade. A little while ago I got one of these keyboard covers, and I just slap the textblade on top of it. If I just balance the blade straight on the laptop’s keys you do get the odd keystroke come through from the lappy - especially from holding down the spaceblade. But with the cover it stiffens the lappy up enough that it doesn’t really happen. The lappy’s keyboard is still quite usable through it for the odd bit of use here & there, such as typing in the bitlocker password when booting up. This means that I can have the laptop at the front of my desk which makes the high-res screen more useful as stuff on it isn’t both tiny and far away :slight_smile:


I’m solidly in group 1 (though “changed my life” is a bit strong. The TB is the only keyboard I use anywhere. Wish I could have spares, because if I break this one I’m SOL.


I’m in group 1 as well but agree with @GeorgeW that “changed my life” is a bit strong wording.

The TB is my keyboard of choice and use it at work, home and away with PCs, Macs and IOS devices.

I’m in Group 1.

  • Replaced all my keyboards.
  • No inclination whatsoever to use anything but TextBlade.
    • I used to look at new keyboards as they were announced.
    • Barring RSI or other issues, I intend to invest zero seconds looking at any other keyboards.
    • The sheer amount of effort to surpass TextBlade? We’ll have Level 5 autonomy self-driving cars, room-temperature superconductors, cold fusion, and IronMan suits, before anything catches up to a TextBlade.
    • Going back to a traditional keyboard would feel like death by a thousand cuts. All that extra motion, and leaving home-row??? How quaint!
  • Redefined “mobile computing” for me.
    • As a die-hard Mac fan, I never expected myself to think “the Surface 4 is really, really tempting!”
    • I will never again be satisfied with a MacBook that has a built-in keyboard.
    • Eagerly waiting for macOS on a future iPad Pro.

Yeah, while I expect most of my computing will still be on my Mac - some things are just better with a mouse and very large screen, not to mention LOTS of windows all completely visible!

Of course, if I could hook up an ipad to a large screen and see the windows as if I was on a Mac, that would be great.

It is going to be interesting to see how the merging of Mac and iOS goes over the next few years. I hope change the the Mac to much into what iOS stuff does (though there may be some nice iOS apps that will be nice to have on a Mac).

I am in camp #1. I do continue to use my mouse for some things but my mouse is a Swiftpoint GT that sits an inch below my TextBlade so my wrist shifts less than an inch to use it and I rotate my hand 45’ to use it which makes it a much smaller reduction in efficiency as I can get back to the TB very quickly.

I even made the decision to change my 2nd TB order I made August 1, 2015 (First order was Jan 13, 2015) to Colemak. Even with a poor typing style that has been greatly improved using the TB over these past couple years, I still want to improve and I believe with the opportunity that Colemak provides, I can take my 47 year old self and teach an old dog new tricks.

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Hey, sorry I didn’t reply to this earlier — it’s marking season here and I’m up to my ears.

My reply is closer to number 1 than to number 2. It’s the best keyboard I’ve ever used and I love using it. But for many things that I do on my MacBookPro, the way that I’ve learned to use the keyboard + touchpad in tandem is too hard to replicate even with a stand-alone touchpad, which I hate carrying around anyway.

BUT … probably because of the TextBlades, I now prefer to write my books and articles on the iPad than on the MacBook. This is even more significant than it sounds because Scrivener, my main word processor, lacks features I like in the mobile version, and because I love having all my Mac typefaces at my disposal. TextBlades trump that stuff, as it should especially for first-draft, get-anything-down, writing.

So yeah, very close to replacing all the keyboards I used to use, and definitely would never want to be without it. I’m interested in Hiser’s solution (above) of putting the 'Blades on top of the MacBook keyboard and still using the Mac keyboard for those “hot keys” and combinations that are muscle memory. If I can soften my touch so that my hitting the TextBlade doesn’t press any underlying keys, that might work well.


Great info re: Scrivener!

As I mentioned above, have a look at getting a keyboard cover. It stiffens up the lappy’s keyboard enough that you don’t get press-through to other keys, but still leaves the keyboard … well, as usable as such a keyboard is gonna be :wink:

Another fine example of scope creep caused by TREG.

Please do General Release with the old code fork and don’t wait until 2021 for General Release with the new code fork.

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Scope creep by developers and front line management is the normal kind of scope creep that is to be avoided.

Scope creep by upper management can be an informed pivot. (And frontline scope creep requests could be pushed up to be blessed as a worthwhile business decision… or not)

The difference is that all the considerations relating to slipping the schedule can be traded off (at least in principle). I’m sure WayTools is painfully aware of the impact of their choices regarding the scope creep.

I’m not so happy about that decision as well (not shipping the old firmware). From my perspective, it was the wrong one. However, they made a business decision with their money behind it (and way more info than I have). Hopefully, it will be the right decision for them.

I do feel like they are selling a different product than the one that was originally offered They didn’t like me calling what I thought I was buying clunky, but at the time, they acknowledged that it was a first release and it seemed at that first product party that people’s reactions were that it had more promise than delivery. I bought it in April, so thought I was sort of buying into the first release beta test program. As everyone else not in the TREG, I’m bummed that I’m not.

However, I’m still eagerly waiting for the general release and hope your GR prediction is at least a couple of months pessimistic.

@waytools If you take one of your models from the March 2015 event and switch it with your current model for an hour, I’d really like to know how you would describe the earlier model.



I haven’t spent much time looking at the forum for ages. Was checking in today and saw this thread.

I’m in group 1 without a doubt.

The TextBlade goes everywhere with me. Occasionally I’ve had to type on other keyboards and I truly dislike them in comparison. the TextBlade is a pleasure to type on. I hope that the rest of the world gets to see this for themselves in the near future.


Group 1 definitely. I’ve shed my MacBook Pro and am using solely a Textblade with my iPad Pro, iPhone and Surface 5!


With the announcement that they are embracing formally forking off iOS into PadOS, definitely seems like interesting things will be happening.

Just found this thread, I’m solidly in camp #1. I was lucky enough to be part of the first TREG group and ever since then (minus a two-week hiatus where my TB was freaking out) nearly everything I do is Typed On A TextBlade.

I love it to bits, I carry it everywhere, it’s been on roller coasters and on a sailboat with me (the latter in a baggy).

However, 99% of the time I use it on top of my Mac keyboard. I don’t type much on mobile.

With Karabiner (and presumably that’s possible on Windows too) you can turn off the internal keyboard when the TB is connected. So don’t worry about hitting keys accidentally.

On the older macs, the keyboard was a bit looser and a keyboard cover helped getting better typing speed. On the newer macs, the keyboard is so stiff and shallow that I don’t use a cover, it’s fine just like that. I wonder how the 16" MBP keyboard will fare as a stand for a real keyboard :wink: